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Sat, 11 Jun 2005

Mark: not using Gnome CVS is a big problem for translation, if I may say. I tried contacting Serbian AbiWord translator earlier, but never really got through.

Not surprisingly, AbiWord looks completely out of place on an otherwise fully Serbian Gnome desktop: it's written using Latin script instead of Cyrillic, it uses completely different menu names (though they're recognizable and often quite similar, they're still different!), and I simply can't get to learn enough about simply getting involved and I lack the time to chase Serbian AbiWord translator for too long.


AbiWord doesn't really fit: notice a pattern in other menus?

FWIW, this is not only a problem of AbiWord: Christian recently raised the same issue with Inkscape developers (yeah, they do have good practical reasons not to switch to Gnome CVS, but it always means a step back for translation users and contributors).

Best help you can get from Gnome Translation People (ok, it's officially "Project", not "People" :) is by using Gnome CVS!

Disclaimer: this doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what you're doing for helping AbiWord be as close as possible to what translators otherwise do, like using PO files, creating statistics such as this, etc. It's just that it's never good enough. Of course, feel free to ask me for help regarding those stats generation, I have done quite a bit on that front myself :)

[09:33] | [] | # | G | | TB
Some of these projects are never going to switch to Gnome CVS.  And as the number of outside software projects grows, and as even the definition of Gnome itself changes, this is a problem that's only going to get worse and worse.

So the real question is, what kind of infrastructure do we need to fix this problem?  I'm assuming this -is- a solvable problem.  Can we integrate the GTP fully with Ubuntu's Rosetta, or something similar?  I'm not a translator, I don't know the details of the problems.  But I know that moving all these apps to Gnome CVS isn't a robust or future-proof solution.
— Posted by Pete at Sat Jun 11 11:37:36 2005
You're right: I was only talking about short-term solution.  FWIW, Gnome CVS already hosts some 200-300 active modules (that means either libraries or apps) with translations, and growing that for another 10-20 is not a major problem for scalability of the effort.

We're having this problem particularly with the software that don't use Gnome CVS for some strange reasons (like company started it, or it switched away from Gnome CVS for some solvable issues such as those of Inkscape), yet are quite active in every other aspect of general Gnome development (like being involved in d-d-l, p.g.o, live.gnome.org, even bugzilla...).

OTOH, I'm interested in Rosetta, but when I asked Mark Shuttleworth if I could hack on it (I have quite a few ideas of what should go there, and the ability to work on those), he said something like "sure, but you'd have to sign NDA first, though we plan to make it open source in the future".  So, we should definitely look elsewhere at this time if we're to provide such infrastructure for Gnome compliance in terms of I18N.
— Posted by Данило at Sat Jun 11 12:08:56 2005
Not related to the post in question at all... what is the theme (GTK, Metacity, et al) in this shot? :-)
— Posted by jmmv at Sun Jun 12 20:32:18 2005

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